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  • Great shape with some snowy patches.

  • No snow on the way up. Snow on the way down (S&M Connector).

  • No snow March 22. Good trail conditions.

  • Trail is in great condition. Nice and dry and not too soft.

  • There is a tree down across the trail on the descent after the two little rock humps (going Test of Metal direction). We couldn’t move it by hand, and it probably won’t be there too long knowing folks around here. However, it would be a serious endo danger if you came in too hot. ALWAYS be cautious for fallen trees after windy days like we had on Wednesday!

  • Does anyone know if said tree has been removed? If it has not I will head out there this evening.

  • Rode the FSR to Fartherside (skipped 5 pt hill) to S&M Trials are frozen bit little snow on them A few trees are down suspended in air over trail so you can just go under them. Bridges are slippery (why don’t you guys put some of that metal mesh like G.M. used on his opus, “Cunning Stunts” on the Sunshine Coast?)

  • Five-point is in poor condition and getting worse. It NEEDS water-bars to keep erosion at bay, the corners being so badly filled with debris to be unrideable. This lack of attention to details are important. Badly maintained trails like this is WHY mountain bike trails on the North Shore are being decommissioned.
    If I were an American, I’d looking around for a lawyer so I could sue for wasting an hour of my life.

  • The trail was fine until mountain bikers started riding it with their rear tires locked up. That trail and many others in the Crumpit Woods area were never designed to be ridden by mountain bikers, but now that it is, maybe it should be armoured. We ride the trail UP, so water bars will not be appreciated, and will most likely be damaged by our bikes. Just a word of caution before someone decides to install water bars (or any other feature that could affect uphill travel).
    You also managed to disparage Americans and Sea to Sky trail builders in a single sentence! Well done!

  • Like all trails on the planet, 5 Point just needs some maintenance. It is an old trials trail, never designed with mountain bikes in mind. I don’t think armouring is the answer, just some modern trail building techniques to help keep it ridable and improve the drainage – without water bars. All trails will eventually erode and return to nature without upkeep. With so much amazing work being done to the Crumpit network, maybe it’s 5 Point’s turn.
    A quick rant – The biggest enemy to the trails are the idiots who knowingly shred those trails with their oversized, overpowered moto-cross bikes, which happens frequently in Crumpit Woods. It’s not the mountain bikers or trials riders.

  • I was walking that little connector trail below “Summer’s Eve” to get to the area under the powerlines (Endo I think) and came across two trials moto riders who claim this trail is one they are allowed on. Talked to her briefly (unusual Slavic accent) and she says it is. And they continued riding even after coming across 4 walkers with dogs.

  • Spencer, didn’t mean to disparage the trail builders here. I see all these great trails needing some work on them and I am an EXPERIENCED trail builder from the Sunshine Coast where I worked with both Sprockids AND the Suncoast Trail Society.
    A little bit of attention to detail makes all the difference between a ho-hom trail that will need work after just a few rider to one that is exciting to ride and can take the passage of thousands of riders.

  • I appreciate the reply John, and as you know there are more users of the trails, than people willing to put in maintenance time……that applies to all user groups. When many of the trails were built, it was not with hordes of mountain bikers in mind, so the lines may seem to be poor choices, but for the trials motorcyles they are ideal.
    Under District of Squamish bylaw 1716, 2005 the trials motorcycles are allowed to ride the Crumpit woods, and the Garibaldi Highlands area trails. Usual trail etiquette is to be followed when coming across other trail users, including the requirement for dogs to be on a leash.
    We have been building in the Crumpit Woods area since the mid 1980s and are responsible for the original construction of most of the “mountain bike” trails in the area, and are continuing with the blessing of the private landowner of the area to build new lines to this day. Mark DenDekker, trail builder and trials rider was the one responsible for naming Mount Crumpit and Co-Crumpit from the Grinch that stole Christmas; just look up at Co-Crumpit from Ravens Plateau and you get the idea. Crumpit Woods was born from that.
    The more history that people have of the area, the easier it is for all of us to enjoy the trails together.

  • Hi, John,
    Although I am not active in SORCA any more, I have been very active in the Squamish mountain bike community over the past 16 years. I was in the exec for 8 years, Trail maintenance director for 3 of them. I was trail maintenance test pilot for 3 years. I am the founding director of the GearJammer, still the best xc race course in the province (in my humble and unbiased opinion). I believe that I have earned a right to express my opinion in this matter.
    First, I would like to welcome you to Squamish – people with knowledge and experience like yours are badly needed in this community. I have ridden many of the Roberts Creek area trails, and I admire the skill of the people involved in building and maintaining them.
    Second, I would like to reiterate some of the points made by Andy and Spencer – both of whom have a great deal of experience and history in trail building and maintenance in this area. The Crumpit woods have been home to Trials motorcycle riders long before they were home to mountain bikers, yet in all the years I have ridden and worked there, I have never seen a trials rider be anything but welcoming and gracious. It has been the policy of SORCA to welcome trials motorcycle riders on all trails, at any time. They tend to cause far less damage than our young downhill bretheren who go into turns fast and drag their tires behind them. A skilled trials rider leaves very few marks behind her, and even unskilled trials riders are not very damaging. And I can’t count the number of times I have started slogging up a Crumpit Woods trail with a chainsaw to clear trails only to find a trials rider (Andy or Spencer or Sean or…) had already done it. In Squamish, as far as I am concerned, the correct greeting when a mountain biker encounters a trials rider – especially in the Crumpit – is “thanks, my friend, I hope you’re having a great ride”.
    So welcome to Squamish indeed – but please recognize that our history and traditions are not the same as those of the Sunshine Coast, nor of Whistler, nor of Rossland and Nelson.
    Of course my comments hold only for trials riders. Heavy 4 stroke trail motorcycles that spin thier tires and especially 2 stroke motocross bikes do nothing but destroy trails, and make them unuseable for any other trail user. That’s why things gave been much better since the SDBA began building dirt bike specific trails, and mountain bikers and trials riders have had less to worry about.

  • Thanks Curtis, Spencer, Andy and everyone for your clear comments.
    John, I can see that you’re eager to make mountain bike trails the best they can be. That’s great and in that pursuit you should know that there are many other user groups that exist. Trials, Enduro motorcycle, hikers, runners, equestrian, etc. There are those of us trying to make appropriate solutions to everyone’s recreational endeavours. To that end, it’s important to be educated on the needs of every user group. What suits MTB doesn’t necessarily suit motorized Trials or hikers and so on.
    As a local that is involved in building and maintaining many significant trails I can attest to the fact that lots of work is needed for every trail and every user group. I personally run, MTB, trials and dirt bike local trails as well as build, maintain all mentioned trails. I will easily say that there is much crap out there that needs to be torn out and rebuilt properly but that takes time and volunteer energy. It will happen. Maybe you can be part of that solution.
    I will point out a few things that are just my opinion – Wire mesh on woodwork is not sustainable and is a bad idea. Proper bridge alignment, width, support and hand hewn cedar rungs are the elements for sustainable bridging where needed. If I see metal mesh, I see problems. Bridging is something I know a bit about.
    I personally have a problem with mountain bikers (yes I’m one of them too) who claim every trail possible as their own and fair game to ride. There are many user groups out there that distain us mountain bikers because we: a) ruin their quiet hiking adventure, b) destroy their walk with a dog, c) trench out their trials trail with our skinny little tires. As mountain bikers, we need to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
    How about this – A simple smile and hello to other user groups who might be on the same inclusive trail network. Get to know them and their needs. Could be enlightening.

  • Big Thanks to the trials rider out there with a chainsaw today clearing the blow down. Major kudos!

  • The small bridge at the bottom of the descent heading towards S&M is out. Watch your speed coming around the corner.

  • Several trees down. All else rideable!

  • Trail has been cleared

  • Use caution on the downhil side (going Test of Metal direction) just before the swamp and the turn-off to Harry Bomber and Meet Yer Maker. One of the little bridges in that section is coming apart. It is probably going to need something a bit more robust than what was there before to handle the combined pedal and motorized traffic….far beyond something a rider could just fix on the fly…likely will need a few new stringers and some slats, about 8 feet long or so.
    Cleared Meet Yer Maker of somef fall and blow-down, nice clear sailing now, dirt is good!.

  • Broken bridge replaced with nice slatted structure, nice work trail-gnomes! V-cliffe is nicely drained, the place to be!

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